Sunday, October 26, 2008

Obama's Extreme Pro-Abortion, Pro-Infanticide Stand

This is tough and heartbreaking to watch. How decent human beings can vote for this lefty boy-man for POTUS is beyond me. It's only one of numerous reasons I could never vote for him with his massive intention to enable adolescent behavior starting in the bedroom.

This from Jungle Mom's recent post on Obama's extreme position on abortion:

Dr. Robert P. George, the McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence at Princeton University, wrote a piece for the Public Discourse - the Witherspoon Institute’s blog entitled “Obama’s Abortion Extremism” on 10/14/08:

Sen. Barack Obama’s views on life issues ranging from abortion to embryonic stem cell research mark him as not merely a pro-choice politician, but rather as the most extreme pro-abortion candidate to have ever run on a major party ticket.

Barack Obama is the most extreme pro-abortion candidate ever to seek the office of President of the United States. He is the most extreme pro-abortion member of the United States Senate. Indeed, he is the most extreme pro-abortion legislator ever to serve in either house of the United States Congress.

Yet there are Catholics and Evangelicals-even self-identified pro-life Catholics and Evangelicals - who aggressively promote Obama’s candidacy and even declare him the preferred candidate from the pro-life point of view.

The fact that some self-identified “pro-life” Catholics and evangelicals support him is stunning; saying that he isn’t pro-abortion, but pro-choice. After all who wouldn’t want a world without abortions? George examines their arguments and finds them wanting. George states that you simply can not say that about Barack Obama, and he gives compelling reasons in the following bullet points:

He supports repealing the Hyde Amendment which protects taxpayers from having to pay for abortions that are not necessary to save the life of the mother or are not the result of rape or incest.

He said that the first thing he would do as President is sign the Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA). This would create a federally guaranteed “fundamental right” to abortion throughout the entire nine months of pregnancy. This legislation would nullify existing state and federal anti-abortion law and policies.

He opposed the partial birth abortion ban (unlike many “pro-choice” legislators) in the Illinois Senate. He then condemned the Supreme Court decision that upheld the ban.


Thanks, Rita. As a country and people we're running headlong into electing a man we will deeply come to regret, surely sooner rather than later. God help us all.


Ellen said...

President Obama is exactly what women of America need to keep GOP from appointing judges that would jeopardize a woman's right to choose. As we know from statistics, incidence of abortion decrease in countries where it remains safe and legal. Unfortunately, religiously motivated right wing zealots prefer to ignore this fact.

Webutante said...

Women DO have the right to choose on the front end. Before ever having sex in the first place. Again, women already have the right to choose. What women really want is the right NOT to choose and then have government help them to rechoose after the fact.

We want to the right to have no consequences to our actions and elect adolescent enablers like Obama who want to extend this to abort to full term.

All I have to say is the end must be near.

Jungle Mom said...

I worry about women who do not even know how to avoid a pregnancy and yet are allowed to vote.

Webutante said...

It's called dumbing down our Democracy, what will be left of it.

Jungle Mom said...

I meant to mention that this article was not written by me, but was cross posted from caffeinated
He graciously allowed me to post it and asked that it be dispersed as widely as possible.

Webutante said...

Thank you both, Rita. Powerful with or without caffeine.

Webutante said...

Vienna et al,

If you wish to comment on this or any other post and get it published, then stay on topic. This post is NOT about Alaska, oil and gas, among other things. It is about Obama's stand on abortion and infanticide.

fraydna52 said...

Re Ellen:
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli

Believe it or not, there are opponents to abortion who are not "religiously motivated right wing zealots" (whatever that means) but are agnostic or even atheist.

Is the woman's right to abortion about playing God, as in "I will decide if you are human or not", or is it about playing executioner, as in "I will decide if you may live or not"?

I would agree with Web that (since the vast majority of abortions are not cases of rape/incest) the actual choice IS made before the act of intercourse. Additionally, methods are available to temporarily or permanently prevent pregnancy.

During the years of fertility, a woman's body is a potential home for an unborn life for a few months. I wish more women would treat that fact with the gravity it deserves.

Jet Beagle said...

I don't know how anyone could ever support partial birth abortion once they've seen photos of aborted children or read descriptions of the "technique". My guess is that most who claim to support this barbarous act have never really investigated what it is.

I used to believe abortion foes were wrong to show graphically the horror of abortion. I no longer believe that. IMO, America will continue to overlook the evilness in smooth talkers such as Barack Obama right up until they actually view the shocking evidence of what he advocates.

Ellen said...

The anti-choice campaign is pointless, irrational and most of all - ineffective
Here's why:

1) A study by scientists from the World Health Organization, and the Guttmacher Institute in New York have shown that instances of abortion declined the most where abortion was safe and legal.

2) This global study of abortion also concluded that abortion rates are similar in countries where it is legal and those where it is not, suggesting that outlawing the procedure does little to deter women seeking it.

What can you say about a person who has such extremist views? Sarah Palin sides with rapists and against women.

Sarah Palin wants to force women who have been raped and become pregnant to have their rapist's child. She said she'd approve this for her own daughter.

If YOU support the Republican ticket - YOU support this policy. This is the official Republican Party platform. Read it, you won't find exceptions for rape and incest.

Webutante said...

Ellen, sadly no one thinks abortion will go completely away as no one thinks alcohol will be outlawed. However, it can be made more difficult and used only in more extreme cases which btw was quite rare. People like you are always screaming about rape and health of the mother, and those are valid exceptions. But do you yourself know from personal experience even ONE case of this. I sure don't.

Jet Beagle said...


I have no doubt that laws against murder do not prevent murders. Even if someone "proved" that laws against murder increased the likelihood someone would be murdered, I still wouldn't advocate making murder legal.

For me, partial birth abortion is murder. That Barack Obama has openly favored making partial biurth abortion legal makes him, for me, an unacceptable choice for president of the nation I love.

John Dewey
abortion foe for 30 years

Ellen said...

Actually no, I don't personally know of a pregnancy that threatened the life of the mother but I know of plenty of women whose lives and careers have been stunted and yes, in some cases even ruined because they were stupid enough to become teen mothers.

The Republican party continues to push the failed abstinence ed programs. They even enlisted the Washington, DC, public relations firm, Creative Response Concepts, best known for the 2004 "Swift Boat Veterans" ads against John Kerry, to launch a public relations effort supporting the failed and unpopular abstinence only education policies.

Result? - between 2005 and 2006, the number of teenage girls between the ages 15 to 17 having babies rose 5%.

Look at the results of teen "abstinence pledges" according to a study published in the April issue of the Journal of Adolescent Health. Teens taking abstinence pledges:

* were six times as likely to have engaged in oral sex as as those who did not pledge

* were four times as likely to have engaged in anal sex as those who did not pledge

* were much less likely to use contraception the first time they had sex

* were less likely to use condoms during their first sexual experience

* were less likely to get tested for STDs

* have similar rates of STDs as teens who have not made pledges.


"Not only do virginity pledges not work to keep our young people safe, they are causing harm by undermining condom use, contraception and medical treatment," -- William Smith, policy director at the Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States

Now, I have given you studies and what I hear from the other side are moralist, emotional and religiously inspired arguments.

Bristol Palin = case closed.

Jet Beagle said...

Just to be clear:

Barack Obama, if elected president, cannot sign the Freedom of Choice "Act" until it actually gets to his desk. In 2003, the U.S. House of Representatives passed the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act by a vote of 281 to 142. The Act passed the U.S. Senate by a vote of 64 to 34. Public opinion on partial birth abortions has changed very little the past 5 years. I think it unlikely this ban will be overturned by Congress any time soon.

Of course, the wildcard for partial birth abortion is the Supreme Court. In a 5-4 decision (Gonzales v. Carhart), the Court ruled in 2006 that the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 does not violate the U.S. Constitution. As long as Alito, Thomas, Scalia, Roberts, and Kennedy remain in the Supreme Court, that ruling will not be reversed.

John Dewey

Jungle Mom said...

As you say, abortion will never completely disappear as we are indeed a society of selfish individuals. However, my tax dollars do not need to pay for someone else's desire to murder their child.
In regards to rape and pregnancy, I am sure you know this is not a common occurrence and can in no way amount fort the many abortions. Also, many young woman have not one, but several abortions which would indeed point towards abortion as a free contraceptive.

Webutante said...

Ellen, if a young woman's life will be shattered if she should get pregnant then one of her choices she's free to choose is waiting. Then there's birth control. If all else fails, she can put her child up for adoption.

Ellen said...

I am sure you know this is not a common occurrence

A woman is raped in America every 2 minutes and about 25,000 of them get pregnant.

Thanks Rita

William said...

William has left a new comment on your post "Obama's Extreme Pro-Abortion, Pro-Infanticide Stan...":

It's about time to face the realities of human behavior. Premarital sex is universal despite all the abstinence ed and the religious guilt inflicted to prevent it. That only manifests itself in uninformed and pregnant teens. You either deal with reality or you live in a fantasy land.

Webutante said...

As always, I fail to connect to your point. Premarital sex is NOT universal. However even if it is common, it should not be shouldered by the taxpayers. Infanticide should be criminalized.

Marital, as opposed to premaritial, sex is taught by God because it requires humans to move into their higher adult brains that take into consideration this has greater meaning than merely low-level reptilian recreation with no consequences.

While I know you think all this religion stuff is for the birds, God teaches that abstinence before marriage makes our lives much easier and happier in the long run. It's not about guilt, it's about making our lives work better. It's for us, not God.

Jungle Mom said...

Actually, Ellen, rape accounts for less than 1% of abortions. Maternal health and fetal health account for less than 6%.
So the remaining VAST majority are for other reasons. reasons which contraceptive could easily control.